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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:09:00 -
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You wouldn't know me, although I've flown with you on occasion in the north. My problem with eve currently is that ... mining is dead. Not that I mine a lot anymore, it's just not a useful past time. I prefer pew pew a lot of the time anyhow, but sometimes I'd really just like to make a bunch of isk in bulk in my barge for a few days before going back to combat.
I put this proposal up earlier, I don't really expect it to get a lot of play. However, I think even if this idea in itself isn't taken on, something LIKE IT needs to be adopted as a fix for mining/industry in general in order to really wage war on the RMTers.
CCP said a long long time ago that they would wage war on these industries and yet they still thrive. This is obviously because of a lack of commitment by CCP to fix anything that's not PVP related or starbase related - Not to mention WIS.
I'm sure there aren't as many people that mine in EVE as there were 5 years ago when I started. The mining community often is made up of newer players that just "dont get it" yet or older players that just refuse to change but hold on to their playstyle no matter what.
As it is mining ships are feeble when attacked, meaning that every time one undocks the risk is higher than a combat ship of the same value. They sit for hours in the same place where combat ships often change systems or at least belts. Don't get me wrong, I think the amount of risk is fine for mining ships. The problem is the reward.
The risk and reward vector of this industry drastically needs changing to become a viable PLAYER DRIVEN instead of BOT DRIVEN industry again.
Please help. RR. Mining Proposal. |

Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:38:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Ah so you did post in the wrong thread. Please don't **** up my manifesto any more.
Not at all, your "manifesto" is just ignorant tripe and shoud be shown as such.
My work there is done.
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.12 13:52:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:this thread is coming to a screeching halt on account of skyrim, will try to get a couple of ~serious replies~ out today though
I wonder if you can put skyrim down long enough to read this ?
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:14:00 -
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Solo Player wrote:I wonder what lessons of gameplay wisdom Mittens will take back from Skyrim to be applied to EVE.
I'd imagine there's some stuff to be said for solo player content after all ;)
Yeah strangely enough I took about 8 months off eve and rediscovered single player games... It was quite refreshing not to have my computer constantly abusing me ;)
He'll probably come back and ask for more dragons in 0.0.
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:09:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
You're wrong.
I mined my ass off in 2005/2006 in Syndicate when the Swarm lived and died based on the prices of Zydrine, and Crokite was valuable enough that ops would be formed and defenses positioned to ensure that mining ops occured. The dynamic was interesting and dangerous, yet profitable enough that we'd do it despite the risk of being killed.
You're also wrong because you don't understand the concept of guards. Stealth bombers? Hurricane, please. Crying about AFK cloakers?
Nullsec requires profit to make mining worthwhile, and it should be dangerous enough to inspire people to run mining ops with guards. If you mine solo and whine about risk of being popped, that's because you're Doing It Wrong.
I concur, I used to have a little 5 man corp renting mining rights from TCF in wicked creek around this same time period. It used to work just fine. looking at current prices for high ends, it would no longer be feasible.
Mittani: Just to clarify, they are taking the minerals out of drones in the next update?
Also - can you get CCP to have a look at the mining taxation in stations and for corporations upon their members?
I have no hard ideas here specifically. However, I still think it would be great for larger alliances to find it profitable to allow small mining corps into their space to mine and pay tax. Likewise, running a mining corp has a huge gap of income there that non-mining corps get.
(I know both of these would probably require some hard out of the box thinking to change - but even with drones gone, the industry has always been the red headed bastard son of eve).
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:08:00 -
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Is the fix for drone regions in the works?
I figured it would be in this past patch, but still nothing.
Having watched eve progress for about 5-6 years now, I am amazed at how slowly things get done.
I remember when drones didn't use their MWD's correctly and all I had trained for was drone ships. It took them like 2 years to fix that.
Drone regions are allowing a bunch of people to mine who never trained for mining completely undermining the entire market and thus the entire character career path.
I understand eve is a PVP game, but I sincerely feel ships shooting each other gets a lot more of a look from CCP than other types of PVP. Every auction, every barter, or market interaction should be considered PVP.
I'm scratching my head while they seem to just be scratching themselves.
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.03 22:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Given Soundwave's interest in the topic, I think there's a good chance that the drone regions will be revisited in the summer expansion. I wholly agree with you that dronespace should not be the major source of minerals, but I would also be very disappointed to see drones become $GENERIC_BOUNTY_RAT_TYPE_09
Look, I'm totally down for them to go ahead and ruin some other part of the eve market with their drone regions (which given the disparity between empire and null populations and then drones as a % of the null space altogether is probably about 5% of the player base at most) with some other game breaking mechanic instead - which they can think up whenever and however they choose.
I find it disappointing in the extreme that this has gone on for so long. As it is I have 5 toons and am not even playing presently except for skill changes because I know I'll be bored in a week without being able to run a decent R&D corp - mining being the main member activity I'd like to see.
I'm not not playing because I don't like PVP. It's just the context I find I have to PVP in.
Either I join a 0.0 corp/alliance who is PVPing over vast amounts of space and I find that utterly boring without being able to do the activities in that space I like to do - kinda hard to explain. Finding myself a nameless number among thousands isn't really what I want my gaming experience to become.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:39:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:The Mittani wrote:yeah, because everyone's opinion deserves respect
lawl Opinions don't, but most people should be treated with respect even if you don't respect them. It's common courtesy. Even though you've treated me with far less respect than I've treated you, it still does not stop me from showing you more than you show me. If I have done anything that makes me not worthy of being treated with respect, than please tell me what it is. If you are tired of discussing a certain topic with me there are more polite ways to let me know. If you choose not to do so without a valid reason (and there are few valid reasons IMO) then it looks like you are trying to manipulate me emotionally.
You're making way too much sense for him dude.
He won't understand.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:42:00 -
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Zhade Lezte wrote:Not this question again.
Seriously, are you going to believe Mitanni, or for that matter any CSM rep if they say they care for the player base as a whole? What does that even mean when the player base is divided on so many issues? You can't argue for prioritizing development of flying in space over walking in stations and prioritizing development of walking in stations over flying in space; when someone says they "represent the player base as a whole" they are merely pretending the people who don't agree with them on the issues they care about aren't actually part of the player base.
Educate yourself on what Mitanni has done as CSM6 chair, perhaps by reading this thread or his candidate thread (the candidate thread's OP is very informative in particular). Ask any questions you still have about specific issues. If you like what he's done for the game then vote for him. If you don't, don't.
The only thing he can really mention, and has been mentioned before, as caring about what's good for the game (not in the interest of "the player base as a whole") as opposed to solely advancing his bloc's interest is advocacy for a technetium nerf when our alliance is absurdly rich from technetium. Some delusional posters have claimed that this is merely because we do not have more than half the technetium moons in the game, and thus are advocating for a tech nerf because everyone else in 0.0 combined has more tech income than we do. There's also his well-known advocacy for supercap nerfs, which people have disparaged as being solely for the benefit of fighting our foes. This is of course ignoring how the existence of supercaps in their current state keep poorer, newer alliances without supercaps from being able to compete with supercap-having alliances (including ours).
The simple fact is that goonswarm's playstyle aligns with the playstyle Mitanni advocates for as CSM, so of course it's going to seem like he's advancing his alliance's interests. Because he is, by making the game more enjoyable to them. Ultimately I don't think it's productive to worry about whether you can fully trust any one candidate; in Mitanni's case you should be considering whether the changes he brought about in CSM6 are the kind of changes you want more of. Anybody can promise you what they think you want to hear, but results are indisputable.
What's actually being asked here is really simple.
Can he overlook self-interest in order to put forward an idea that is in everyone's best interests?
Is he actually capable of that?
Due to your political double-speak I'd suggest the real answer is probably no.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:52:00 -
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Igner Greyhound wrote:So what's the first issue on the agenda for your second term, Chairman?
It's called damage control.
I think he needs a term in a mental asylum himself if he thinks his behavior is ok.
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